This is exactly the discussion that should be had.
I agree but find I usually get attacked or just spoken down to in a public forum like this for challenging ideas or asking questions around subjects like racism.
Even as I write this I'm a little apprehensive, despite most of the times I've challenged others views as a way to understand them.
Look, it's good that the casual racism comments come up, because why should we be ignoring simply cause it's every where? Again, it's about change. It's about pointing out to people what's wrong with it.
Totally. I only get annoyed with "NZ has a problem with casual racism" as I feel it intentionally misrepresents the situation despite being technically true.
NZ also has a problem with casual racism or there is casual racism everywhere both represent the situation better in my opinion.
When it's specified at NZ it implies it's an issue especially bad or unique to NZ, which seems like outrage bait used by news sites which is now used by everyone.
And of course there's racism toward white people! So don't feel like they're excluded.
I agree BUT the currently used definition by most is that racism can't be experienced by the racial majority. I.e. If you hate me because of my race it's not racism as I'm in the racial majority and you're in the racial minority.
Just like if I don't include race in how I determine how to treat someone then I'm racist because I'm being colour blind. I have to treat people differently because of their race to not be racist now.
Racism now has so many f***ing caveats it's near impossible to decrypt, it used to be easy. If you held an opinion of someone BECAUSE of their race, good bad or neutral, or considering any race to be superior or inferior, that's racism and it's bad.
Cultural appropriation for me is the commercialisation of culture with no benefit to them. Feather headpieces are the biggest f**king offenders and example, but of course there's more than that. I don't see how you speaking the language simply cause you may not be white is an issue. Yes, some f**king maori make it impossible to not feel like you're part of the problem, confronting you about why you're speaking OUR tongue, but the majority of the time they don't even have a grasp of the language.
When you say commercialism do you mean companies selling stuff?
And when you say with no benefit to them do you mean people of a certain race?
If so I personally object to those views despite me being told I'm racist for it.
I think nobody ever should be entitled to something because of race. I know it happens now and there are issues that are generations deep but feel addressing it on a race basis and not just help every disadvantaged person is wrong.
Like when we talk about systems to help disadvantaged Maori I have an issue with that. If we do things to bring up the bottom 10% then that's great. If Maori disproportionately fill that 10% then they will be disproportionately helped when we help all of the bottom. I think leaving broke white kid behind because despite being born into the same shitty situation he's the wrong skin colour to deserve the same help is wrong as it's racist. And I've been told many times I'm racist for holding that view.
Cultural appropriation is currently used for a white person getting dreads being a racist act because their race doesn't come from a certain continent.
If someone likes dreads they should get them, they shouldn't be limited by their race. That's racism to me, but not what news sites and educated people consider racism.
I feel like you're scared of social consequence, which in this day and age is f**king terrifying. But the steps you're making, and how you've felt in the past make it sound like you could be a person who could help start changing this.
Yea I'm terrified of social consequences in a world where right and wrong changes from week to week with no wiggle room for people who may innocently get it wrong.
It's normal to persecute someone instead of getting all the info like the other side, instead of having conversations and educating.
It's normal now to drag someones name through the dirt via stuff and Facebook instead of asking them if they understood why what they did was wrong or offensive.
Take sir Peter Leitchs thing recently. Everyone has presumed guilt.
It's his word vs hers but her word has more weight for no apparent reason.
His version of events she claims entitlement due to race, her version he claims entitlement due to race. To me the evidence on both sides have the same circumstantial weighting. And as they were drinking think both might be rightor wrong.
Now he's rich so life will move on but imagine being innocent, and trying to get a job with that stuff being Googleable. Plenty of nobodies have appeared on stuff and Facebook for that kind of sh*t.
It seems like more people are more concerned with crying racism and shifting the posts on racism and being victims than actually trying to educate and eliminate racism.
As I say, me wanting to embrace Maori culture and see NZs history as all NZers history, not just the history if your race in the current climate is racist which I think is f***ed up.
Edit: that took so f***ing long to write on my phone, so excuse any errors.
Edited by drunk_monk, 13 January 2017 - 05:41 PM.