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#1261 stupidlikeafox

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Posted 24 September 2017 - 10:31 PM

Greens dropped after Jacinda got in. They did *OK* in the end, glad to see Chloe Swarbrick entering parliament too, she's going to be awesome.


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 07:06 AM

I agree with you on most points. I do not about the youth vote being a myth but maybe the assumption that the youth vote will always benefit the left is a bit off.
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Posted 25 September 2017 - 08:01 AM

It does seem to be ... but seeing that room of the "Young Nats" put some serious shivers down one's spine. I still don't understand how that can possibly be a thing.


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#1264 sakuraba

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 08:18 AM

It's the same old story.... lazy Labour voters don't vote. National & nz first voters do vote. its kind of a simply short story.
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Posted 25 September 2017 - 08:33 AM

I don't understand the swell of support for people not voting.

Like if you don't like the system at all, or literally can't for one reason or abother or are indifferent to who is in. Don't vote, no issue.

But if you wish someone got in and chose not to vote, I actually agree with the old saying don't whinge if you didn't vote.

You weren't willing to put in a tiny amount of effort to actually change the percentage of votes parties got and then are gutted that a party didn't get enough people voting for it? That seems contradictory.

Even if your party doesn't won or get a seat, at least you tried.
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Posted 25 September 2017 - 10:21 AM

I don't understand the swell of support for people not voting.

Like if you don't like the system at all, or literally can't for one reason or abother or are indifferent to who is in. Don't vote, no issue.

But if you wish someone got in and chose not to vote, I actually agree with the old saying don't whinge if you didn't vote.

You weren't willing to put in a tiny amount of effort to actually change the percentage of votes parties got and then are gutted that a party didn't get enough people voting for it? That seems contradictory.

Even if your party doesn't won or get a seat, at least you tried.


Absolutely. There was one story I saw about when Trump got elected and people rioted. About 120 arrests, about 80 of them didn't even vote. I feel if you don't vote, complaining about a situation you chose not to do anything about is a bit ridiculous. You had an opportunity to have a say and you chose not to.
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Posted 25 September 2017 - 11:38 AM

 

Shaw would just be stoked for cracking 5% after the last few months they've had


Weren’t they at about 15% after her speech? They’ve actually done incredibly poorly, Halved support since 2014 and about a 3rd from 3 months ago. Their numbers didn’t drop after her speech. They dropped after she admitted the residential address stuff ,and those 2 guys leaving the party. Sure theyre back in, but best case they probably end up as confidence and supply to a Labour NZF govt. People like the Greens as underdogs, but they’re pretty terrible at this sh*t tbh. Metiria takes 5 mins to think about her speech content and the flow on affect (and also realising the media’s going Leader hunting this year) and its a different election.

Funny how a lot of people talk about a Nat/ Greens govt which would remove Winston and also you know, get sh*t done for the environment. And from what I’ve seen the only people opposed to it are high and mighty Green supporters. Probably happier to just complain on Twitter for another 3 years.

The election went as I and most people expected. Not the way I’d hoped personally (my major issue is overseas buying - I’d like my kids to own a home) but if Winston’s in there, I assume that issue might get sorted regardless.

National did incredible honestly. Maybe a 1% drop from 2014 and Keys peak. That’s pretty amazing considering their leader and the hate they get online. Also looks like the youth vote is a myth.

 

 

 

 

I guess the thing with the youth vote is, it's still unknown.

How many were specials?  It's going to be really interesting to see the result of those in a couple of weeks.  They were saying 200,000 specials - that's a significant number.

 

I voted Greens. Again.  I was on the fence re Labour, but I still don't think they're ready.  I was saying it when Jacinda came in, and I still didn't feel it by the end. Not saying she's not doing well for Labour, I think it's a turning point for them, but I think as a party they need more solidification (is hat even a word? :lol:) and she needs to concentrate on that, and getting their policies in order, before worrying about being PM as well, iykwim.

I was talking to my mother yesterday, who voted Labour, and she brought up a good point that with all this current upheaval in the world between Trump and North Korea, that Jacinda may be better off leading in opposition for another term, while all that sorts itself out.

 

But I would be quite happy with a National / Green coalition.  I really think a lot of good could come out of it if Shaw brings some sound economic/social and environmental policies with him, and I think he would do well as deputy.  It's a shame it's not going to happen.

 

Either way what happens now, I think we are seeing Winston as deputy.  He'll demand that much from whoever he goes with, especially having lost his electorate.


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 02:11 PM

There's no way there can be a National/Green coalition. The Greens aren't an environmental party, they're a socialist party.
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Posted 25 September 2017 - 03:47 PM

glad to see Chloe Swarbrick entering parliament too, she's going to be awesome.

 

Was pleasantly surprised to see that she would get in based on the party seats. She ran in my electorate and unfortunately the National candidate ran away with it.


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 04:51 PM

It does seem to be ... but seeing that room of the "Young Nats" put some serious shivers down one's spine. I still don't understand how that can possibly be a thing.


Yeah that sh*t was terrifying haha. Didn’t know those kind of American Psyhco types existed in NZ
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Posted 25 September 2017 - 06:23 PM

Shaw would just be stoked for cracking 5% after the last few months they've had

Weren’t they at about 15% after her speech? They’ve actually done incredibly poorly, Halved support since 2014 and about a 3rd from 3 months ago. Their numbers didn’t drop after her speech. They dropped after she admitted the residential address stuff ,and those 2 guys leaving the party. Sure theyre back in, but best case they probably end up as confidence and supply to a Labour NZF govt. People like the Greens as underdogs, but they’re pretty terrible at this sh*t tbh. Metiria takes 5 mins to think about her speech content and the flow on affect (and also realising the media’s going Leader hunting this year) and its a different election.

Funny how a lot of people talk about a Nat/ Greens govt which would remove Winston and also you know, get sh*t done for the environment. And from what I’ve seen the only people opposed to it are high and mighty Green supporters. Probably happier to just complain on Twitter for another 3 years.

The election went as I and most people expected. Not the way I’d hoped personally (my major issue is overseas buying - I’d like my kids to own a home) but if Winston’s in there, I assume that issue might get sorted regardless.

National did incredible honestly. Maybe a 1% drop from 2014 and Keys peak. That’s pretty amazing considering their leader and the hate they get online. Also looks like the youth vote is a myth.

I agree wholeheartedly with all of this. But there was a poll that had them under 5% at one point during the downward spiral... so I'm sure theres a bit of relief there.

And personally I'm glad the maori parties gone. As a maori myself I feel like they sold their soul to play for the winning team... and feel free to prove me wrong, but imo, they did nothing to better our culture or buck negative trends
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Posted 25 September 2017 - 07:23 PM

I feel the Maori party were in a difficult position. If they had chosen to stay in opposition they could have made a lot of noise but ultimately achieved not much of anything for Maori because the opposition is not in charge. I guess they felt that if they were on the team that were in charge they could work towards positive outcomes for Maori and hoped that Maori would see it the same way. From the results of this election, obviously not.

If Maori had seen it like that and had given the Maori party more votes and so more seats they would have had more power to achieve more positive outcomes for Maori. So a difficult position to be in.
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Posted 26 September 2017 - 06:56 PM

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 07:05 PM

It's the same old story.... lazy Labour voters don't vote. National & nz first voters do vote. its kind of a simply short story.

It's not a simple story at all. I tried to find an article I read a while back but couldn't...but the gist of it was the biggest bloc of non voters was new immigrants (Asia, SA, North American) and when they do vote they are more likely to vote National. 


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 09:53 PM

I dont believe that at all. Most young people I know dont vote because they simply dont care
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Posted 27 September 2017 - 06:03 AM

I dont believe that at all. Most young people I know dont vote because they simply dont care

There would be a large cross over between the two so you couldn't compare. What I was getting at was the misconception that labour voters don't all vote while all national voters do. 


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Posted 27 September 2017 - 07:27 AM


I dont believe that at all. Most young people I know dont vote because they simply dont care

There would be a large cross over between the two so you couldn't compare. What I was getting at was the misconception that labour voters don't all vote while all national voters do.
not too sure about misconceptions as I live in Labour's south Auckland stronghold and the majority of people I know that said they would vote labour but couldn't be bothered is pretty astounding. Oh and my biceps looked amazing when I walked past the mirror this morning.

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 06:20 PM

They need to introduce a "no confidence" vote, be interesting to see how many would vote that.


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Posted 19 October 2017 - 06:34 PM

I have a thing for Melissa Davies. Also Wintson is crack up with his long speech no one listened to.
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Posted 19 October 2017 - 09:45 PM

I have a thing for Melissa Davies. Also Wintson is crack up with his long speech no one listened to.

 

He's trying to maintain as much publicity and attention as he can before he fades into irrelevance once again.


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