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#21 birdman

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:25 PM

NZ are going to get thrashed in the tests.

What do you guys make of the South African cricket team? Best you've ever seen?

For me the Australian team of the early 2000's is still the best ever.


Test team is solid, ODI & T20 terrible.

For me, the West Indies of the 70's and 80's were the best ever - dominated world cricket for close to 20 years! 'Fire in Babylon' is a great documentary film about this.

Oh, and +1 for another player. Opening bowler / lower order slogger (9 or 10).

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:16 PM


NZ are going to get thrashed in the tests.


Agreed. But hopefully we will play better than when we played SA. Some of the new talent like Rutherford show promise.


Rutherford played a gutsy innings in the warm up game.

Problem is that the English attack is maybe even better than the SA attack. They have fantastic fast bowlers and then they have a world class spinner, something SA never had.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 07:17 PM



NZ are going to get thrashed in the tests.


Agreed. But hopefully we will play better than when we played SA. Some of the new talent like Rutherford show promise.


Rutherford played a gutsy innings in the warm up game.

Problem is that the English attack is maybe even better than the SA attack. They have fantastic fast bowlers and then they have a world class spinner, something SA never had.


Yeah speed bowlers are few a far between in NZ. It's a pity McClenaghan got injured. I wonder if any of the current NZ XI team will make the Black Caps for the first test. Watling finally made some runs. It may help him retain his spot, even if he's been playing poorly otherwise.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:56 PM

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#25 Jaz

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:40 PM

Windies from late 70s to mid 80s were the best ever. Best bowlers (and plenty of them). Best batsmen. Best openers. Viv Richards. Great keeper.

Aussies under Steve Waugh a close second.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:44 PM

Windies from late 70s to mid 80s were the best ever. Best bowlers (and plenty of them). Best batsmen. Best openers. Viv Richards. Great keeper.

Aussies under Steve Waugh a close second.


I'll let Chris Cairns answer that question for you.


In fact not only does Cairns think the Untouchables were deserving of the gong for most dominant Aussie outfit, he believes they would start favourites in a theoretical match against any of the best sides in cricket history.

Comparing them to the great West Indies side of the 80s, Cairns said the Untouchables would have the edge, mainly through their X-factor players Warne and Gilchrist.

"I feel that the Warne factor and the Gilchrist factor would tip it in the favour of the Australians," Cairns said. "They were so dynamic and they were unique."


"If you compared elements - there's superb fast bowlers on both sides, wonderful batters on both sides, Gilchrist v Dujon - absolutely no contest, Gilchrist was far better, and then obviously the spin contest.

"If you throw those elements in, I think over the course of a Test you can deal with pace - that Aussie side was pretty adept at that and then if you throw in the Gilchrist factor - just that ability to tip the match and just ripping the game apart - he was a special, special player."



Read more: http://www.foxsports...0#ixzz2Me3RpWyA



Steve Waugh's team was strong in every single department. Waugh is still the most successful captain in test history with a 72% win rate.

Edited by lingm04, 05 March 2013 - 06:45 PM.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:21 AM

On the other hand, Chris Cairns was a frizzy haired, injury plagued goose who doesn't know sh*t.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:18 AM

On the other hand, Chris Cairns was a frizzy haired, injury plagued goose who doesn't know sh*t.



I used that article and Chris because i agree with most of it.

Mcgrath, Lee and Gillispie might not be as good as the WI's pace attack but Warne would tip the balance in favour of Australia. Gilly would beat Dujon by a mile and then i would say the batting is pretty equal. Waugh was a better captain, reflected in his world record win percentage.

The only real X Factor the WI have would be Sir Viv. I don't think their fast bowlers would be as effective now in the age of helmets because there just wouldn't be that fear factor. When you are facing a 150km/h Lee in the nets every day then you don't have much to fear.

Edit: When most people think about this, they wonder how the Aussie team would cope with the WI's pace attack. But really the question is how would the WI's batsmen cope with Warne? I would argue that the WI's batsmen would cope pretty poorly against him.

Edited by lingm04, 06 March 2013 - 05:22 AM.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:42 PM

For me, the West Indies of the 70's and 80's were the best ever - dominated world cricket for close to 20 years! 'Fire in Babylon' is a great documentary film about this.

I loved that doco.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:34 PM

I haven't seen that doco the whole way through yet.
Seen the first 20/30 mins, like 3 times though.
They love it ey.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:20 PM

Different era's anyway. Played in WI, WI wins. Played in Aus, Aus wins. Probably.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:52 PM

Different era's anyway. Played in WI, WI wins. Played in Aus, Aus wins. Probably.


Think Aus would get at least a draw even in the WI.

Like you say, it is different eras, which makes it unfair. Players now days are far better conditioned, have the advantage of technology to analyse their opponents and form game plans.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:16 AM


Different era's anyway. Played in WI, WI wins. Played in Aus, Aus wins. Probably.


Think Aus would get at least a draw even in the WI.

Like you say, it is different eras, which makes it unfair. Players now days are far better conditioned, have the advantage of technology to analyse their opponents and form game plans.


You beat me to it, different eras, different quality of equipment, professional sport nowadays.

Back then there were no helmets for batsmen and their pads and gloves were so thin you could almost spit through them. I'm not sure how that Aussie mob would have handled facing 150 clicks with basically no protective equipment. Bat technology these days is ridiculous too, so light for so much willow, some bat edges are 2-3 inches thick, back then they'd weigh 10 lbs with the modern day profiles!

Edit: Black caps you little beauties!

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:28 PM

Rutherford you beauty! 171 on test debut!
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:06 PM

Rutherford you beauty! 171 on test debut!


Not surprised. He played well in the warm up and has been in great form.

Diden't his father make two ducks on debut?
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:24 PM


Rutherford you beauty! 171 on test debut!


Not surprised. He played well in the warm up and has been in great form.

Diden't his father make two ducks on debut?

Yes he did, way back. Against a strong Windies side.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:45 PM



Rutherford you beauty! 171 on test debut!


Not surprised. He played well in the warm up and has been in great form.

Diden't his father make two ducks on debut?

Yes he did, way back. Against a strong Windies side.


Lol Way to show Dad how it's really done!
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 05:47 PM

Unfortunately the weather looks dominate the result of this test. Especially with the first day lost, this afternoon plays abandoned. Hopefully we can put enough runs on the board to let us try to get 10 wickets again.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 06:38 PM

Unfortunately the weather looks dominate the result of this test. Especially with the first day lost, this afternoon plays abandoned. Hopefully we can put enough runs on the board to let us try to get 10 wickets again.


NZ need to come out tommorow all guns blazing. Either hit out or get out. They need all the time they can get to bowl the poms out. 250 lead could actually be enough if they get two quick wickets again.
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Posted 09 March 2013 - 12:06 PM

McCullum did well to increase the lead. Our bowlers need to step up now after lunch and dominate like they did in the first innings. There is still a chance, albeit a slim one, for a result with one and half days play to go.
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